How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

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Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

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— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

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ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

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You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

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If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

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Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

What would happen if the Earth stopped spinning for one minute?

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

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ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

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We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

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ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

NOW…

Sain (a barber)

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

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Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

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I am like a fish out of water,

Now here in this verse

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

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The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

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ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Kabir (a weaver)

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

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The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

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ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

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Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

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Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

CONCLUSION:

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

then who is there to know what happens without?

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.